from what i've seen you can spend between 3,000 to about 13,000 depending on the years, and get a realy dependable, good handeling (many here say it out handels a Z) good looking (of corse no where near that of a Z) car...and after a year or so of driving it you could get the Silvia Jap spec eninge (can't rember the number something like 20det), and when you feel good about that car use it as a beater car when you get a Z :) (thats my far fetched dream at least :)